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PostSubject: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 17:41

Hi everyone,

I've already spoke to Sam about the following topic that you just started reading. He advised me to make a topic so everyone could deside for himself.

Since a few weeks Ketamine got limad status on the MRC Servers. And everytime when he's online he acts like some sort of dictator. No argument possible, only the kick and ban button is a solution.

He knows I don't like the way he's (ab)using his 'powers' because i've already told him that on the servers. I apologize for this because that wasn't very professional and other drivers don't have to know the MRC members sometimes got problems with each other. That's why i started this topic now.

I don't think Ketamine should be an limad on our servers because he kicks people without reason.

Example 1:
Today I was online and one driver (ingame-name: Mayor) kicked me off the track after i tried to overtake him in the last corner on blackwood track. He got out of the grass and bumped into my car, that can happen to everyone. The grass is slippery and most drivers can't control the FBM car on that surface. Ketamine, who was spectating, kicked him for this. Mayor got back online and was mad about Ketamine. I didn't say anything to Ketamine when this happened, but i never would have kicked Mayor for such a little accident. He didn't do it deliberately.

Example 2:
After this happened and I was racing. I saw that Ketamine was mad about someone (ingame name: Mirjana) and as I expected Mirjana got kicked a few seconds later. I spectated and watched the replay, just curious what happened between Ketamine and this other driver.

This was what I saw:
Ketamine and Mirjana where number #8 and #9 on straight atfter the start. In the corner that comes at the end of straight, Mirjana already overtook number #7 and Ketamine followed in that corner 'with a little bump in the other driver his car'. So they were right behind each other after that corner. Then in the next corner Ketamine braked too late and touched the grass with one wheel and lost control (Pressed shift+S after that). Mirjana had just started his 2th lap and tried to overtake driver rOL. Ketamine suddenly started to talk to Mirjana. He said:

Ketamine - Mirjana: I don't know why the fack you don't make room
Ketamine - Mirjana: If you know you're slow.
A few seconds later, Mirjana got kicked.

-I still got repaly from this Example-

These are just two examples why I think Ketamine shouldn't be a limad on the MRC servers.
I already knew Ketamine for a while before he got limad status. Then he was whining a lot on other drivers that they crashed him and stuff. It was never his fault. Watching the replay often showed a different story. Most of the time Ketamine was the one who couldn't control his car or find the brakes.

I was suprised to see that he got limad status and now he's able to kick/ban everyone. I agree that it isn't always unjustified, also he makes the right choices. But he should be more careful using his 'powers'.

Last note:
I play LFS just for fun and I joined MRC because I liked the servers and admins. I think admins like Ketamine can ruin the joy of other players on our servers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 18:02

I don't write on forum because i'm very bad in english for write/unerstand, so, sorry for the next.

I know Ketamine, sometime i look him, and yes he's sometime hard whith other player, but i think he don't know rules to admin race.

Personnaly, 1 error i send player whith:Warning: respect Rules and Mates, if he continue sencond advertissement/send my setup or kick if it's a real crasher/dangerous player, depend to the degre off infraction.

If it's a real crasher= big crash / bad rate(-45%) and no excuse him, cash kick and advertissement when he reconnect, ban if he continue.

That realy rare i ban cash= past story and big crash, possibility i ban cash.


for Ketamine i don't know why he have a limad password, but i think he don't have a rules in head.

realy sorry if you don't good understand me, i have try Smile


And if i don't have a good method to be a good admin, tel me please.

Nice Day/night all, see you later on race ( and google trad is bad Sad )
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 19:41

First of all, I saw that you have a problem with me from the moment you saw that I got limad. Your exact words were "Since when do you have limad?". From that moment, every time you joined the server and I was online, after you saw me kicking someone, you said "You kiked him for no reason, he is right, you dont know how to administrate" even though you were just joining the server and you didin't know what the situation was (he did something else previous, he already got warning etc.).

Same thing happened today with Mirjana - you just joined the server and you saw the thing that filled the glass and he must have been kicked, because it was not the first time he was causing dangerous situations.

With Mayor I really don't remember what happened, but EVERYTIME I made a mistake I apologised and I recognised my mistake - I have no problem in doing that.

Sometimes you just cant stay and explain what went wrong to a person that does stupid things 2-3-4 races in a row or sits sideways on the track with traffic coming in. If it was a spectate option instead of kick it would be used more often. And after all, a kick is a kick, with this you draw atention of the player for him to read and to understand what he did wrong. Some players understand, some not. Lately there have been a lot of players that made bad things on the server(s).

In the end, I think that you have a personal problem with me and I don't know why, because before you joined MRC it was no problem between us. If everyone else thinks I am abusing my powers than it's ok, the problem is on my side and it means I have to improve.
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 19:55

Hello,

You could upload mentioned replay aswell to be able watch it for us.
When more members have same opinions and dont agree with his actions, so I dont see reason why Kenamine shoud stay Limad on MRc servers.

@for FBM Supads:
Did someone from you noticed some problem with Ketamine, or not?
Please reply. Need more opinions, cant kick limad based on 1 - 2 posts.


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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 21:01

After a quick search I've found a website where I could upload the files. I hope you guys can (and will) download them and understand why I made this topic.

EDIT: I'm sorry for all the ads you get when you open a link. Wait a few seconds and click to continue to the downloads at top right of you screen.

First replay (driver Emray):
http://www.mediafire.com/?1hv11ipidj71o5d
Driver Emray gets kicked by Ketamine. The first corner from Emray was really wide, but he said sorry afterwards. This is the replay that Ketamine mentions in his reaction at this topic, were he says that Emray already got a warning. "...even though you were just joining the server and you didin't know what the situation was (he did something else previous, he already got warning etc.)", quote Ketamine.

Second replay (driver Foiegrasbearnaise):
http://www.mediafire.com/?skwcxyyazqmr0ow
Foiegrasbearnaise gets kicked because he looses control after the chicane at start and crashed a lot of cars. But please watch how Ketamine drives. First he touches the number 1 in the chicane Moving:Target, because Ketamine steers in to hard. After the first corner Foiegrasbearnaise is right behind Moving:Target and holds his line in front of Ketamine. Ketamine just steers in. That is a place where a good admin would use his brakes and mind, foiegrasbearnaise got better line and is in front... So he got the right to stay where he is, doesn't have to leave much room for Ketamine in my opinion. Ketamine thinks different and just steers into him, causing a big crash, blaming Foiegrasbearnaise for it.

Thirth replay (driver Mirjana):
http://www.mediafire.com/?j457x42l24833mq
This is the replay from example #2 in my opening post for this topic.

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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 21:31

Chaly wrote:
"...even though you were just joining the server and you didin't know what the situation was (he did something else previous, he already got warning etc.)", quote Ketamine.

I wansn't pointing a specific situation, you do that all the time. You don't know what the situation is and you still make useless comments. And if I remember well, since we are at "the right thing to do" part, earlier today you stood up for the guy who said something like "Fuck you ketamine, you should go and hang yourself". But it must have been my fault and I should have gave him a prize.

Your atitute towards me was crap when you noticed that I have limad and that is the true.

Yes, in the replay with Foiegrasbearnaise it was my fault, he couldn't back off when he was already in front of me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 21:47

ketamine wrote:
Chaly wrote:
"...even though you were just joining the server and you didin't know what the situation was (he did something else previous, he already got warning etc.)", quote Ketamine.

I wansn't pointing a specific situation, you do that all the time.

I've got a pretty good memory and I still remember you said that I just came online when you kicked Emrey and that he was warned before.

You don't know what the situation is and you still make useless comments. And if I remember well, since we are at "the right thing to do" part, earlier today you stood up for the guy who said something like "Fuck you ketamine, you should go and hang yourself". But it must have been my fault and I should have gave him a prize.

I'm sad to say that i missed this comment. Maybe because I was racing. Every player that uses these language should get kicked right away. But I didn't hear you about this when I stood up for this guy?

Your atitute towards me was crap when you noticed that I have limad and that is the true.

This might be true. But that's only because I don't think you're a good limad and that you don't make the right choices when it comes to kick and ban other racers.

Yes, in the replay with Foiegrasbearnaise it was my fault, he couldn't back off when he was already in front of me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Fri 27 Jan - 22:16

You can judge situations differently when you don't play often on the servers and you don't know what is happening, who made what and who has a crappy atitude and doesn't listen when you warn or when you tell someone that what he did was wrong.

You are putting this situation in a light in wich I look like I kick or ban people without thinking and I am the most evil person on the server. Don't mix your personal issues with me with what is happening on the server. When you dont like something or someone you tend to give it more attention than it is needed just because you don't like it.

I am not the kind of person who says bad things about others just to make situations worse, but unlike you, I am playing more often on the server and I know what is happening. I wrote on the forum how the server(s) can be impoved, how we can handle situations in such matter in witch we have clean races and people know that when they enter an MRC server they can improve and have fun. This morning I even had a conversation with Bish about how some parameters can be set gradualy on each server in such an order in wich players can progress and move from one server to another after they improve. But you come at the end of the day, see 2 situations, start to throw trash around, you remember another situations when you played last time, you make a thread on the forum and put me in this kind of bad situations, when I know my intentions on the server are good.
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 28 Jan - 1:51

all i can say on this subject is ketamine you are a good guy but it does make u a little cheesed off when crashes happen and the thing is you need to bolt that energy down spec and always check replays before decision on ban or kick,..i no for sure you dont do it as a power trip or anything but i knw how much it can get to you when it happens alot and that sometimes can make our judgement on a situation be wrong...ive been there myself in the past mate.

@chaly---- nothing bad can be said against chaly he is a great guy and great racer but should let me win more

ketamine isnt a bad guy hes just too passionate about winning or improving his racing ,but do understand that it would have negative impact.id start by telling him that before a kick or ban he must check replays and always give warnings first stating what they done wrong...there are exceptional circumstances when a ban or kick is neccasary straightaway,..i believe its important to have people who race a lot on servers as limads for when no team members are there..i wouldnt say strip him of all limad rights as that would be too harsh for one incident...instead il give him some guidance....showing him how to deal with certain incidents..


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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 28 Jan - 2:07

@ Vadico

As a general rule of thumb your correct in the procedure..but it also depends on other things...having a 45 rt doesnt say to me that they are usually a safe racer...but yeah your correct on there RT giving an idea of there background...second is the incident its self--if its a crash that was caused by racers locked in a good battle then it happens..but if its someone lets say deciding to not brake til the last minute as your taking a bend and in the process forcing you off the track i would warn them that if continues then they will face action.and if happened again it would be a kick and so on.,,]

ive been on a server and for 3 races one after another everyones piled in to t1 and caused a oileup and as soon as i tell them that enough is enough and people will be banned for such aggressive and stupid drive then after that its been a good clean race.

ive had a few people tell me that because i put the pressure on them to be safer and not crash they have become faster because it made them use patience when needed,,,
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PostSubject: www   Sat 28 Jan - 14:14

ya...hope is a minor missunderstanding....ketamine is a little unpacient sometimes and i hope he corect this thing...in rest all good...bye the way.....i m back Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 28 Jan - 16:01

i think he has good intentions,i think the main important thing for him is check replays..because it isnt always the racer who hits you that caused it and it can actually have been a racer crashing him on purpose and then it having a knock on effect
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 4 Feb - 4:52

What about this? Is there some progress or its stuck?

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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 4 Feb - 5:46

hes been advised . so can be classed as its resolved mate
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PostSubject: Re: Ketamine, good limad or not? (long story)   Sat 11 Feb - 11:33

So, from the conclusion, basically I understand that Chaly was 100% right about what I am doing and how "bad" of a limad I am. That's OK, nice to find out that oppinion.
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PostSubject: www   Sat 11 Feb - 11:46

WHO THE F IS CHALY?RACERS WHO COME 1 TIME IN 1 WEEK AND GIVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT RACERS WHO DONT KNOW?

ITS A DEJA-VU...SAW THIS KIND OFF PPL WHO POST IN ALL TOPICS AND THEY DONT KNOW SHIT...

BUT LETS POST...WE FEEL IMPORTANTS IF WE DO...RIGHT...FFFF

GO FIND A LOG SWAT WHIT ALL LIMADS

I NEVER THING IS POSIBLE FOR ME TO GET SO MAD ABOUT THIS GAME,BECOUSE I LIVE IN A REAL LIFE...BUT YOU SUCCIDE TO GET ME GOING
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