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PostSubject: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 15:24

Let me start off with some info. LFS username: rund0wn, time: 16.00-16.15 somewhere.

After having a year-long break or so from LFS, I thought about playing it again a bit. Installed my updates, configured my controls, made some quick setups and went looking for a server. As I was looking around the servers, trying around different aspects of the game again, trying to remember the "good old times", I then got into the MRc Demo Blackwood FBM server (don't remember the exact name here), and there I was, brushing up my old FBM skills, lap after lap getting better times and so on.

That's when we get to the point when this guy with a white and black striped car comes in (no idea what his name was, he might have even been a MRc member?) and for the sake of this "story", lets call him WB. So there I was, finished the race as first and went to park my car right after the first corner, on the big pavement part off the track (you probably know what place I mean) and WB comes in, parks is car there and decides it's a funny idea to start ramming me and donutting around me. Although it was annoying, I didn't say anything as the race was over and there was no difference if he was ramming me or not.

And now we have made it to the race where I got banned on. Race starts, I rise up to the 4th or 5th place, staying off of the optimal racing line because I know some guy is gonna come from behind me and ram me, breaking slowly and early not to cause an accident in the first corner. After the first corner I drove right past others because I managed not to crash like many did, get into the chicane and then theres WB again. He bumps into me in the chicane, tail kicks out just a little bit, I regain control and keep driving on in the first position. After the chicane I can see he is right behind me and he didn't appear to have more speed in the first place either. So I drive on, he starts to catch up with me and then comes my last 5 seconds on the server. He is right behind me, but rather than going to the side and trying to pass me, he still stays right on my tail. He gets closer and closer, bumps into me, my tail wobbles a bit, I regain control and then he just bumps into me the second time making me lose control and slide off the track right into the curved wall before the bridge. By that time I'm already trying to take the joystick out of the way (playing on my laptop and the joystick is right over my keyboard) and trying to press Esc and "pits" button (as I told you before, it was a long time since I had played the game and the automatic movement toward Shift-P wasn't "in my instincts" any more, if you get what I mean). Just when I pressed the "pits" button, I got booted off the server, thought I had just lost connection and connected again and there it was, the message that i have to wait 11 hours and 59 more minutes until I can join again.

How first of all, this is not a unban appeal or unban request. I'm just trying to resolve the problem and try to understand what I did wrong there so that I wouldn't repeat this mistake in the future. I wasn't as quick as I should have maybe been on getting to the pits/spectator mode, but it's kind of a mystery why I got banned, because my car never got back onto the track after the crash, it stayed off the track. So if possible, please investigate the server logs, because I'd like a reply from the admin who banned me.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 15:57

A replay would be handy, but admins can get it I guess.

As far as I understand there are only 2 possibilities:

a) Admin/Limad banned you for that [would be weird though by reading your story]
b) Your safety rating dropped for leaving the track. As new driver you have a default rating of 50% and I don't know if the auto-ban is at 45% or 40%.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 16:34

The admin who placed the original ban has been notified
and will reply soon. Please be patient.



You have been banned by : Saez


Best Regards

Note: If you could provide us some proofs such as pictures , replays or anything else you have proving that the ban you recieved wasn't fair , would be totally helpfully for resolve this case.

Thankyou in advance.


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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 16:52

Hi rund0wn,

Okey let's explain the situation,

Today, after eat, i have connected to the server. We were two admins: Saintd and me.

The server at this hour was FULL of crashers (Saintd can say us), all crashers (maybe you not), you press !rt and maybe 70% of total drivers was Red Rate...Too rare at this hours (maybe because Tom wasn't online and the server wasn't as clean as it use to be).

So I gaved some warnings to the people, people seems that can't read the messages...And we and Saintd started cleaning the server...

I banned some people today (more than never I think) so I don't remember your ban and the situation of ban (I readed all but don't remember)...You must to understand that when the server is FULL of crashers and we are cleaning, we are sometimes more hard than often (for example if normally I gave 2 warnings, next kick, next ban; when theres a situation like this it is direct kick,or direct ban, or a warning and, depend of situation...)

I have to see the replay to answer you to the ban, but the answer start with what I'm saying now.

After to see the replay if i can get it, I will tell you the cause of the ban and if there was an error (it's possible, I have explain you the reasons) I will give u my deepest apologies.

Must to wait...

Thanks.

NOTE: If was an error just understand it, would have been easy see the server full of crashers and leave it and come back an hour later. Just trying to keep the server clean and that everybody can have fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 19:10

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Hi rund0wn,

Okey let's explain the situation,

Today, after eat, i have connected to the server. We were two admins: Saintd and me.

The server at this hour was FULL of crashers (Saintd can say us), all crashers (maybe you not), you press !rt and maybe 70% of total drivers was Red Rate...Too rare at this hours (maybe because Tom wasn't online and the server wasn't as clean as it use to be).

So I gaved some warnings to the people, people seems that can't read the messages...And we and Saintd started cleaning the server...

I banned some people today (more than never I think) so I don't remember your ban and the situation of ban (I readed all but don't remember)...You must to understand that when the server is FULL of crashers and we are cleaning, we are sometimes more hard than often (for example if normally I gave 2 warnings, next kick, next ban; when theres a situation like this it is direct kick,or direct ban, or a warning and, depend of situation...)

I have to see the replay to answer you to the ban, but the answer start with what I'm saying now.

After to see the replay if i can get it, I will tell you the cause of the ban and if there was an error (it's possible, I have explain you the reasons) I will give u my deepest apologies.

Must to wait...

Thanks.

NOTE: If was an error just understand it, would have been easy see the server full of crashers and leave it and come back an hour later. Just trying to keep the server clean and that everybody can have fun.


Hi Saez i don't wanna be rude but sometimes some players with low rating are even better than players with higher rating,


""The server at this hour was FULL of crashers (Saintd can say us), all crashers (maybe you not), you press !rt and maybe 70% of total drivers was Red Rate...Too rare at this hours (maybe because Tom wasn't online and the server wasn't as clean as it use to be).

So I gaved some warnings to the people, people seems that can't read the messages...And we and Saintd started cleaning the server...""


I quote most of them with low rating are multi-account but some of them are not, thats why really we have 3 Demo Servers 2 pro and 1 should be for players who like to race or learn from us, that's why we got [MRc] Formula BMW -#2 - GP Track with 4 laps, the #2 got pb lock and the 4 laps for really pro and for whoever wanna race more than 3 laps.

Usually before I kick/ban some1 ill check the player if he needs any better setup or need to know settings etc etc but if they just crash for the fun of it then i would ban without any problems.
I don't wanna go against you or Saintd just check them carefully Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 19:27

Totally agree with Brian.

There are more ways than get styou aressed and ban at the first time just cause you want to race or that you are stressed.

If you think that you can't handle it cause too many crashers , let other's do it.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 19:36

Hi Brian! Don't worry if u are rude, sometimes it's good to learn Smile

First want to say that Saintd has nothing with it, just he was on server, the problem is just for me.

Second: Yes Brian u are true in all your words, and I do same than you (members who know me they know). So I havent explain correctly, they were low rate (and is true not always low rate is the same than crashers, I know it because first tame I came this server I was low rate because never played there, and I was banned lol! ), but in this case, they were low rate and YES were crashers.

Don't know now if is the case of this user or if all was an error, must to check replay...

About be helpful I agree with you. In fact, I give setups, try to be friendly with drivers, etc. But you know that when you are cleaning server when is full of crashers, in that moment isnt possible be as friendly with people as often.

About Frozen, I agree with you too, but not my case. And as if I find the server with drivers that can't drive, as MRc member I feel that I must do something if there arent more admins (just saintd and me) and not leave the problem.
And maybe this ban was a "bad" ban but I said, I think it's better do some error trying to do my job as admin, than don't do any error and now be playing without this problems but leaving before the situation...

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:12

Just for some more information, I was driving around in the bright green FBM, I do not have replays because I've never watched them or recorded them before (I think). Main reason for this is that my last computer was too bad and this was the first time I played LFS on my new computer.

I saw some other guys get banned there, I might have caused one crash accidentally before, but this was going into the 4th corner when one guy tried to pass me with much more speed than me and we both bumped together with our sides (he had a much wider curve than I did, I was going into the curve with a little bit too sharp driving line). First few laps I spinned a little bit and drove off the track a few times, but I never got into anyones way (I hope).

I actually thought about recording with Fraps, but I got banned first, heh. No worries, there were many crashers and accidents do happen, I'll just wait out until my ban ends. I made this thread to see if I actually broke some rules that I wasn't aware of or something, I'ts been a long time you know Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:16

Hi guys

Im not on server for 1 day and u guys make a desaster.........lol

Im just joking........lol........

Im sorry, that I cant be a help for you at the moment.

I stay at hospital and have operation tonight.

So I hope to be back on track soon!

Only got my iport here and can check forum when they dont kill me.....lol

See you TomTom

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:23

Hi again,

reading what you say, you seem a good guy, and good guys dont use to be crashers...So if it was just an error (must wait), you will recive my deepest apologies and tell you that I just try to keep clean the server to have good races, and maybe, doing it, I saw something (some crash) that made me think that you were crasher...

I repeat, I don't know... In my country is it said that sometimes pay fair for sins unfortunately... And maybe it was that case.

Regards!

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Operation Tom?? All okey??
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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:33

MrcTomTom wrote:
Hi guys

Im not on server for 1 day and u guys make a desaster.........lol

Im just joking........lol........

Im sorry, that I cant be a help for you at the moment.

I stay at hospital and have operation tonight.

So I hope to be back on track soon!

Only got my iport here and can check forum when they dont kill me.....lol

See you TomTom

Good Luck With your operation!! see you soon on track m8!

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Saez: About what you said , i wasnt judging you , i'm just saying you guys sometimes ban cause you guys are stressed and can't race.

I saw it myself , and probably was this case. Too much dangerous drivers , crashed 1 , ban.

That's not the way mrc servers works , as you may know , on any situation.

Have the reflex : Warn , kick , and then ban.

Says this message when connecting on the mrc servers.


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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:39

I said Frozen...

Thats the theory and what must be normaly, but when theres a situation like this, not always is warn, kick and then ban...

Just remember this famous sentence: NO MORE WARNINGS, NEXT CRASHERS JUST GET BANNED. This sentence obviously cant be applied always, is just for some difficult moments. Just it.
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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:43

Well , if you don't apply that message

Asume the consequences.

Won't discuss anymore , there's no point on it.


Solve this easy, just give him a 2nd chance.

Easy, the ban wasn't so important as you don't remember the reason anymore , so just unban.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:46

I wasnt there at the moment, but when i see all this reactions, i must say, you guys are way to hard against Saez.

Sometimes, when there are a lot of crashes, and a guy gets a warning, next time, a ban is just at its place.
I am not saying this is the case, but i think in this case (especially Frozen) reacts way to hard against Saez, he's new, i dont say he's allowed to make mistakes, but he can learn from them, but not on this way, to just be so hard. (no offence against you Frozen, dont get me wrong)

About this ban, i agree with frozen, just unban and give the guy a second change.
We'll see what happends, and let this be a good learn for BOTH

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:50

Again,

Ruben: I'm not being hard with him , just giving my opinion about all this , and it's totally respectable as any other.

Saez: About your comment "Just remember this famous sentence: NO MORE WARNINGS, NEXT CRASHERS JUST GET BANNED. "

That's taken as a warning at my view , so everyone knows when reads that message , that they will get banned if they crash in that moment.

Easy , simple , not being hard , just realistic.

Sorry if i did hurt anyone with it ,

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:53

No mate... You haven't understood my message I think...

My english is bad, but I think I'm not saying that this message musn't be applied.

I just say that if it was an error I will give him my deepest apologies and if I can help him in something in future I will do, and say just sorry...

It seems you are replying all time against me..

And I don't remember his ban because there were more bans in this moment...

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Thank you a lot Ruben, that's why I say you that you are a good member (and friend).

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 20:59

Ok , leaving this discussion now. There's no point on it.

Everyone makes faults, let's learn about them.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:02

I think we all 3 solved this problem, no hard feelings anymore!

Lets just make sure this will never happen again!

@Saez: I am not doing this because i have good contact with you.
You made a mistake, but the point of vieuw was wrong by telling you what you're mistake was, you made the choise to ban the guy, because you want to help keeping the servers clean, not just for yourself so you can race, i know that, i see you every day around the servers.! Wink

Lets unban him, give him a change, and just see what happend!

Case Closed.
SOLVED. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:05

Didn't have any problem with him.

Just being neutral with everyone.

No exceptions or favouritisms.

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:17

From what i read it's only an error caused by the presence of lots of crasher in the same moment, and for this reason saez and saintd try to clean server..... In this occasion happen to kick/ban people very fast in order to clean the server,without give some warnings...

@Saez It's only an error caused by inexeperience and a sum of bad situations ....np sometimes happen and i get the same error when i obtain my rights by few days...

Anyway all solved Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:24

Stig wrote:
From what i read it's only an error caused by the presence of lots of crasher in the same moment, and for this reason saez and saintd try to clean server..... In this occasion happen to kick/ban people very fast in order to clean the server,without give some warnings...

@Saez It's only an error caused by inexeperience and a sum of bad situations ....np sometimes happen and i get the same error when i obtain my rights by few days...

Anyway all solved Very Happy

Thanks for be the only one who understands me.

You recieved a +1 vote on your comment!

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:28

I am going to make my last post in this threat.. Done with discussing for today..

What Stig just said here, is exactly what i am trying to say to you Frozen.
I did agree with you, only the way stig brings in, and the way you did, was for me a thing to react on you.
This is way more friendly then how you said it.!

And as i allready said to you online, its just a mistake, we all do.!
He has to learn a lot, give him the chance! dont be so hard on him.

End of me talking in this discussion! I am so DONE with it for today..

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 21:53

I completly agree with you Stig...The most short text and the most understandable...

Sometimes the same message can be said of different ways... If it was just an error, i will say sorry and learn. I'm saying the same since my first reply...

And you Frozen were replying against me all time... and its good you do this, but it was not in a friendly way I feel...

But dont worry, all okey... Just wait for Bish or Sam... they will decide my future in MRc...

But no problems between mates!!

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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 22:20

Well i was against you and others were with you so what matters.
I think you dont deserve to be kicked out of the team due to this.
Wasnt the idea i had with my replys , i just wanted to show you why that happend.
I think you understood it and i hope that so you know what to do and what to do not in the future.
Was just my opinion dont take it bad please.
If need something count with me, you are a good person but when something happens im neutral with the opinion, nothing against you.


Would like to talk with you personally and on private tomorrow if you want for solve doubts and get good feelings back.
You are a good team mate ;-)


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PostSubject: Re: Complaint - 12h ban for yet unknown reasons   Wed 9 Jan - 22:52

Frozen,

Well okay, I also understand you now... I know you just were trying to teach me from errors and from a more experienced member... all okey Smile

However I still thinking that it happens in situations like this, and my attitude in the server was always the correct I think... If there was an error just say sorry and just can say that i will work for that not happens in future, but errors always can happens...
But I get your opinions and hope you mine, and make this team every day better...

I say you the same Frozen..If you need something count with me Wink

If there wasnt discussions like this between members, this team won't be what is it...All this is good to learn and keep working in the team.

We are a big team! Wink

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