HAPPENS AGAIN

Hi all
I need explain what happens tonight (but this is not the only one time happened)
our server was empty
after a lot of time players are coming
all ok
no problem all guys are ok and all have fun
Jati (Jatimc) joined the server and started m with his dictatorial system
He start races when he like
He forces you to choose which car you drive
He sets AUTORESTART for too much seconds without reason only for his pleasure
and players wait without can do nothing
Jati is 1stBFA member and he is good racer but bad admin
I sent 3 times suggestion to him:
-Stop please with your limad abuse
-Here all cars are unlock so players can choose everycar
-Ask but don't kick anyone
I drived some cars ( some slow cars) and guys drived some different cars too but.... surprise......
when I drived BF1 and at last lap he spec me
like a noob
Many players there and have seen it all (OUTLOW was there too)
I saved the replay of all sad question
He ignore me and have no respect around my messages
Was I too much stupid or I must find justice?
He laughed at me and
I think this is not right around me
I ask now:
Remove the limad level 3 at this guy please
He isn't member he did wrong actions many times he is not good limad for our server
I can show replay to everyone if you ask me
This is my request, simple, direct and absolutely honest and justified
If all you guys will have care of me I will be very happy
I can not do anything without your help

waiting...........................................

send me the replay of when he kicked you and i think that would be enough to remove his rights as he is kicking an mrc member-

@Message for jati - Jati if you come to the forum and read this then you will understand that in the past me and and starman had little fallout when i wouldnt vote to ban you for arguing as i believed it would have been resolved through talking yet you do what i tried to prevent back then (it was before my time at MRc) - but now you kick starman while being a team member from the teams server which is a breach of rules - Even though im a supad i cannot knowingly kick a team member- I think if all this is confirmed once ive seen the replay and if available other related info(logs) then i will have no choice but remove limad rights and if you wish too defend in your version of what happened then let us know

yes, upload replays to some storage web and post link here. We will check and degrade his limad rights down.

Thanks

First of all not a sincle kick or ban happend. Only spectate...

Why i spectate then, well i have seen too many times when there are slow cars and fast cars same time on the track
and it just dont work. It' ll just makes lack of experienced players crashing and blaming others.
Allso its not fair for other drivers if you are driving fast car and then win the whole race while others are with the slow car.
Do you think its the right way? i dont...

It is ok to drive mixed cars at the same time if players know what they are doing and they know to give room for the faster car.
but its always risky especially in oval.


What comes to delaying the start, well i was helping with one guy (he was from finnland) who asked me how to turn pit limiter off. And i tell him how to do this.
I dont delay starts by purpose or just because i can, i just want to be sure that all are ready to race...

Hopefully you understand that i try to help to keep server clean and safe. Not only S2 but demo's too
and i've done this for a long time. If you think its right to take my status off. i dont mind at all.

Cheers: J a t i

Yes im there too, plz watch the replay, i dont know exacltly what happends but what i see (or read) i dont really like, if Jati kick out a limad then will have to explain why.

waiting for replays.... will see.

//moving to Complaints category.

@jati the best way its done if more than 1 car is unlocked is either a majority vote on a car or the winner of previous race chooses.

You decided to spectate him on his 8th lap just before the finish line which is very wrong.at the beguinning of race there are more bf1 than there was of fzr so if was by what majority of people wanted then should of been bf1

I read the log and il be honest at 1st i couldnt see you doing anything wrong and i thought that would be my final decision - but after you spectated him after he had done 8 laps and was about to win the race- that was really wrong to do- i agree on people driving same car but everyone or most of everyone need agree

Spectating someone as they are about to win the race is just as bad or even worse than kicking

*swat il send link to replay in one minute mate

skswat wrote:

waiting for replays.... will see.

//moving to Complaints category.

Ive sent the replay in question by pm mate--- in regards to previous races i havent found anything yet that says jati had done any wrong- people would ask him what car and they agreed and got a setup of him which was ok

Cant understand 2 things:

1.) Why Jati spec a MRc Member!
2.) Why they was talking that all other has FZR and only Star Man has BF1?
I seen 3x BF1, 4x FZR and 1x Formula V8 on track when Jati spec Star man.

Server was open for all cars, so yes.... its good when drivers agree on some type of car, but when server is open, its not required. Its not event.

I dont see any big rights abusing from Jati side (except that specdate). There was no kick as mentioned in 1st post.
Yes, its better and safer when drivers using same category cars, but cant force other players to choose them when other are allowed too.

I saw message from Jati on chat: "all with no fzr will be kicked "
Not really good.

I dont think, that some consequences for Jati is needed now, but just warning, that forcing other threatening with kick is not good way. Specdating team members as well.

I suggest close this and expect, that in future will drivers more tolerant to each other.

i would of agreed if it wasnt left til the final lap of the race til he spectated him- that is what i would think most racers would consider a lot worse than being kicked and a abuse of limad - even though its the only real abuse i found- having seen that many others chose other cars then jati had no right to make the decision to do that- after all what would give jati the right to say if the fzr guys are in the correct cars and others are not.My advice would be if not remove rights then to atleast lower his rights to a level where he cant spectate others

Only Limad 0 cant spec.

k thanks- so i think we need to look at this from a understanding of

A. we give someone limad rights for use on servers incase no members- i am sure that most of time its fm servers they use anyway - also i believe that with it being s2 servers there is a much less need or use of limad rights - In nearly 2 years off lfs and approx a total of 24,000 laps on oval ive only ever need to kick one person

If he was someone that used either the demo fbm or demo rally server a fair bit then yes i could see the need for limad right as its most likely where they would need to be used

@swat I dont mean to bring old stuff back up and wont say other names in this,but do you remember when someone done the same to you mate, ** unless my memorys gone bad which may be** lol

After a night time of thinking over this( many braincells didnt survive) i came to the conclusion that me suggesting to have all limad rights removed is a little harsh - i apologise for this and il give my reason(s) now.

* With jati saying fzr or kick -- now at first glance it does look bad but it does work in getting most people actually listening - there is a big difference in saying it than there is it was actually done

* There was a lot of people asking jati which car to use and for setups so many followed
* I stand by what i said about jati spectating others especiially when last lap and near the finish line - that was a very bad thing and in all honesty if someone done it too me i think it would make me become a little angry because it had happened on the teams server- But then

* One important piece of advice from our very own sam was - Everyone deserves a second chance

And ive never ever had any problems with jati and in the past when i was dedicated to oval racing i thought of jati as good friend from who i learnt a hell of lot from and i had and still have a lot of respect for him

If yesterday is looked at looked at there was a couple of comments made to jati that shouldnt have been said as it wasnt true- and it was a message directed at jati saying - "stop abusing limad powers" now this was before he spectated anyone and i couldnt find anything that showed jati had abuse any powers

My final conclusion

Jati made one mistake for which i am certain that he wouldnt * do again if its seen as wrong and before he did spec star man he gets accused of abusing limad powers - if he was abusing them then why didnt others also accuse him it.
I think this has been an old arguement that shouldnt have resurfaced - which should be resolved asap- J

@jati I know its been a long time since i used to race with you - but i saw you as someone who could have a disagrement but not actually hold a grudge about it

@Star man I say the same - it is time to forget past arguments - jati may of done something a bit wrong but then also in the past you fell out with me because i wouldnt ban jati as it was against my s2 morals- so both have done something wrong to eachother- all bad feelings for eachother must stop once you are all on the server- as it would look bad to others

*Edit sorry i missed the NT of the word

Spectate was right thing to do no doubt, mrc member or not . I could do this to anyone.
Passing faster car at the final lap and then win the race, that just not make sense.


I told after race start that plis take fzr like all the others but no...
Starman know exactly what he was doing.
Hes only intention was test my nerves and win the race by very lame way...

And yes i said: "If not use FZR you'll be kicked"...
That seems to work very well eh

Jati wrote:

Spectate was right thing to do no doubt, mrc member or not . I could do this to anyone.
Passing faster car at the final lap and then win the race, that just not make sense.


I told after race start that plis take fzr like all the others but no...
Starman know exactly what he was doing.
Hes only intention was test my nerves and win the race by very lame way...

And yes i said: "If not use FZR you'll be kicked"...
That seems to work very well eh

First thing i have to say is what was it that You and Fras used to always say to me about oval ?

(answer) its not about the winning its about the laptimes and fun while doing good drafting

2nd Spectate would have been right to do if you had done so on one of the first few laps but definitly not on the last lap - (why not spectate him when he first laps you in the race)

Without starman taking this personally - He might of done it too test nerves as like i said ive seen it in the past but that was back then - But with you reacting by spectating him so far into the race was then not a mature or professional way to react - so take starman from the equation for this bit - whats the reason that others also decided to use bf1 or fo8 - they couldnt have done it for the same reason and it only suceeded in making you look bad for doing it

I left all cars open on the server as i believed that people would be able to work together and say either winner chooses next car or we go by order of names in the list taking it in turns who chooses next car,

I would almost guarantee that if it was on fm server and it was fras you wouldnt have done that to fras
because of respect and its the team server
never feed a fire fuel if you dont want it too burn - and once more fuel is thrown onto the fire it got what was wanted- yet its for pouring that fuel the blame can shift

** Also you have no rights over a team member or other limad- Im supad but if it come to a situation like this it wouldnt event be seen as acceptable for me to do it for the folowing reasons

* The team works with respect being shown even if they dont get along
* if it is believed another member or limad has done wrong then they have to come here and report it at which then either an admin or supad with look at and make a decision

*we have strict rules stopping such acts between members/limads-

Im not saying that you had started all this but i am saying that spectating was wrong due to the laps that had passed and the number of times he already passed you before you decided to

If you cant understand that doing this to a mamber of a team on there server as they were about to finish also making a bad impression then i think that you must also hold a grudge over the past which has impaired some judgement

You must understand that if lap 1 or 2 or 3 then it would be acceptable a little to spectate but not on the last lap- if you cannot understand this which i hope you will otherwise it it would mean that you would be disrespecting the way MRc ask things to be done ,, im not asking for anyone to say they were in the right or wrong all i want is for you to say ok you understand and wont spectate someone in the middle or near the end of a race unless they pose a risk by sitting on the track

Ok.

Jati wrote:

Ok.

Hello,

Firstly a MRc Member has no right to a spectator, or kick another member MRc.
So it's not someone from another team that will come to make his law MRc in servers, especially on a member of the team.

Second all cars are allowed then you are in offense.

By concequent you lose your rights on the server MRc!

Best Regards
Sam

SaMiX wrote:

Jati wrote:

Ok.

Hello,

Firstly a MRc Member has no right to a spectator, or kick another member MRc.
So it's not someone from another team that will come to make his law MRc in servers, especially on a member of the team.

Second all cars are allowed then you are in offense.

By concequent you lose your rights on the server MRc!

Best Regards
Sam

Quite rightfully done - and if i im correct sam will also see that it made it even worse by being on the last lap as he was going to win
* i was trying to see if through mediation that past quarels would be resolved - but its only when i said that im not asking whos at fault did jati reply with the ok- which shows that you must know that it was wrong what you did -
I dont know what you both originally fell out over but im very sure it was nothing so bad that it still is an issue with you both-

Life is too short to argue - trust me on this one- the most horrible illness can hit anyone at anytime as it did to my younger brother who at the time was a healthy hard working lad and it takes bad things to happen like that to wake people back to reality - i myself also have a couple of health issues at present so i say this with experience - why waste time and energy with arguing when more can be gained by building friendships and liking everyone
I dont hate even my worst enemys in life- respect eachother and others will learn and give respect back

@sam i apologise that i didnt remove his rights immediatly - but it can be seen in ealier post i suggested it then i got deeper in to replays and log file and was updated what i said in parts

Also im sorry for all my long post - i find it hard to get a point across to others without me going into great details

bish wrote:

SaMiX wrote:

Jati wrote:

Ok.

Hello,

Firstly a MRc Member has no right to a spectator, or kick another member MRc.
So it's not someone from another team that will come to make his law MRc in servers, especially on a member of the team.

Second all cars are allowed then you are in offense.

By concequent you lose your rights on the server MRc!

Best Regards
Sam

Quite rightfully done - and if i im correct sam will also see that it made it even worse by being on the last lap as he was going to win
* i was trying to see if through mediation that past quarels would be resolved - but its only when i said that im not asking whos at fault did jati reply with the ok- which shows that you must know that it was wrong what you did -
I dont know what you both originally fell out over but im very sure it was nothing so bad that it still is an issue with you both-

Life is too short to argue - trust me on this one- the most horrible illness can hit anyone at anytime as it did to my younger brother who at the time was a healthy hard working lad and it takes bad things to happen like that to wake people back to reality - i myself also have a couple of health issues at present so i say this with experience - why waste time and energy with arguing when more can be gained by building friendships and liking everyone
I dont hate even my worst enemys in life- respect eachother and others will learn and give respect back

@sam i apologise that i didnt remove his rights immediatly - but it can be seen in ealier post i suggested it then i got deeper in to replays and log file and was updated what i said in parts

Also im sorry for all my long post - i find it hard to get a point across to others without me going into great details

you do not need to apologize my friend, you did a good job.
the pedagogy is always better than the quick reaction.

you and Swat, had managed well I have no comment on it, only that you have done a good job and thank you for the time you spend.

My only problem is the "OK" that bother me from Jati and also, I put myself in the place of a member MRc happens to him that.

Continue to be as you are my friends
Sam

Jati wrote:

Starman know exactly what he was doing.
Hes only intention was test my nerves and win the race by very lame way...

Jaty max respect for your skill in oval but you have an awesome immagination around my intention ...
I think more respect for all players in our server is enough...

thank

thankyou sam - they biggest reward is someone saying that were doing good - as sometimes we can question ourselves on stuff -

but i think swat has done so much good stuff recently he definitly has done so good- even come up with a new definiton of how easy a task is - if its bishproof (foolproof) then even a baby could do the task

i agree with with what you say - its only after i say im not looking for who was at fault but wanted to make sure that he understood why its wrong and shouldnt do again was it then that he replied Ok
Which in my mind shows that he knew it was wrong(come on jati i know your not a stupid person and i know that you are deifinitly smart enough to have understood the implications that spectating him would have,,
I dont know how the dislike started between you both but i remember quite long ago(before MRc) when i was kind of dragged into it by being asked to vote to ban you, and what did i say = i refused to and then had the person who asked falling out with me - because i will always choose the right or the most honsest path and i thought that you at the time was mature enough and sensible enough to not ask me to ban them which too me is a respectful and mature thing

Ive seen the replays and the logs and will in all fairness as i have to look at it from all sides will say (no- offence to star-man please understand i cant be biased and this is only a example), even if starmans intention was too bother or irritate you ias soon as you react by doing such things then youve lost,

@star-man you must also understand that while wearing the MRc any arguements or dislike has to be left at the server door.It may be possible that by using a different car to each time what he says that it could be too irrate others and what should have been done is ask everyone else and if 6/10 racers say bf1 then its bf1 ect ect or go through the list of names inorder and they choose
The same as you say jati shouldnt dictate what car to use it makes a beter race when all use the ssme car otherwise why race in a car that not going to win and get lapped
Finaly Star-man if its only with jati spectating you and in a previous race he didnt start and then restarts it himself that is all i see he done wrong personally but one being serious enough,so without me dragging previous stuff up - you will also know understand that what you did wrong on the server where u restarted in qualify-

@ both its only when we admit our mistakes in life that we then learn from them and become wiser and stronger- a bitter person is one that cant look forward but instead live in the past

@swat so so sorry mate for such big post i know its not easy when i write them,

I think Sam's words are right, I share this logic for full and fun server online.
This is my idea too around it and I say thank to all for your time around this topic
First one Bish,SWAT,OUTLAW,Sam and Jaty.
@Jaty : I have no problem with you in race,you know this very well I think you good racer
and without sense to say you very fast all know this, I called you in RR team
I respected you yesterday and today too.Sometimes you forgot all
and without care for everyone
(except for you draft-friends = Virgie,Shackal,Frog,Fras...who else?)
so...I hope no FM dictatory behaviour for this server will come.
I'm not owner,no moderator,no founder,no old member here,no powerful limad
but I explain my opinion and I'm sincere, I do not hide.
Try to be serious sometimes cause:
speed is nothing without freedom (Star Man philosophy)

Mrc are free and serious

Its not really a dictatur, only a common sense.

Jati wrote:

Its not really a dictatur, only a common sense.

kk mate you must concede that your common sense is a bit alterate

thank for reply