who is liable to give away in qualy

Ok so I had differing opinion today with another driver. It brought up a matter that needs clarification in qualification.

It's clear case when you are on the 1st lap that you have to give away to drivers on their fast lap. There is "blue flag" pop up and all. 
What about a following case: You are on 3rd lap coming closer to driver on 2nd lap. So both on fast laps but you are much faster and collision is inevitable if both continue on their race line. The car ahead does not get "blue flag" in this scenario.

I think that car behind has to leave enough space in the begin with to have enough playroom ahead. Since we have lock on 1:19 it is doable. He thinks that much faster car has right but that creates a blurred line : if car ahead is driving 1:15 and you 1:12 can you ram him like train or kick him to clear your way.

To conclude my way of seeing it, bish correct if wrong: 
-give away when in blue flag
-no need to give away for faster cars when you are on fast lap (can be polite tho)

Nuff Said, clear as day

i have right of way if i am on 3rd lap and he was on his 2nd lap so i gave warning for blue flag on the straight so maybe you shoulod save replay and watch again Gemini because you are wrong watch 
replay from 20 mins
https://files.fm/u/7hds89ha

You would have right of way if he would have been on first lap. He was on 2nd lap. Replay is here, incident at 20:20.
Here is screenshot from hajiels perspective when you ram him

dude 1st or 2nd  no matter he is not a good driver i gave him blue flag i was a lap in front he has to move off the race line i have priority

BUDZ wrote:

dude 1st or 2nd  no matter

It makes all the difference in qualification, both were on the fast lap and then the car ahead has priority, lap count doesn't matter beyond the 1st lap when you have to give away. 
I would refer to my conclude on the post 1, I assume it's correct since it hasn't been corrected by Simon or Bish. And by the blue flag I mean the pop up message, not text from another player. 
I just find this important to clear out that when we try to play with same rules.

so blue flag means nothing whats the point of blue flag i watch a lot of F1 racing and i have seen the exact same thing and the driver under blue flag has to give way when the car which is a lap in front on a flying lap has to give way 
 
also there is no rule on MRc that covers your theory 
i want other members to comment on this topic as well as bish and simon

He didn't have a blue flag. I'm starting to repeat myself since my 1st post which I tried to make clear as possible. Waiting for the team founders to reply now

ok we will wait

He didn't have blue flag ok maybe i am wrong for the 1st time but if my lap is faster and he is still slow i am sure i have the right of way even if he is not under blue flag

Hello, I am very sorry that I am speaking in a matter that does not concern me.

I was on the server that day, in my opinion, with all due respect to WR gemini 95 - You are wrong ,

this is my subjective opinion. with all respect to you.

[MRc]BUDzG27 - he is a slower player than you, but on the track he has the same right.
he was on his next lap - even though it was slower

he was the privileged one, and you had the duty to make room.
These are the rules of racing.

I decided to say, only for the fact that you as limad 4 gemini95.
being on the server, you allow me to insult me by another member of the MRC team -Calling me a dildo I just add that on this occasion - you had a good time.

to my question - why do not you react
- you answer (I'm retired)  -I am a serious man, an athlete in life

and expects respect 
- I am driving you as an excellent fast driver.
- and expects the same from you.

I'm sad when limad4 is on the server and allows insulting other drivers.
In this case, me.

That's all I greet everyone

Dido

Thank you dido

It is a situation that that for me i in that situation would of looked upon it as both would have had same rights but then it would of been common courtesy if the other driver was on a possible faster lap than he had already set for qualify and if he was not then it would of been good sportsmanship to move over.

I respect and regard you all as good friends so i hope everyone remains friends. I always try and use the same rules as real racing and i know that dido_bmw will know race rules used in real life due to him being in the sport in real life

sorry if i have not helped get to a decision

@dido_bmw i will look in the logs and guarantee you that insults against anyone not welcome and i will sort it out

thanks bish and i would of just let this go as i only kicked the driver i didnt ban but being Gemini pulled me up on server well i continued to peruse the problem but also i do find it weird that blue flag did not appear on the other drivers screen considering i was 1 lap ahead. I hold nothing against Gemini in more than most cases im not wrong when kicking or banning drivers

Can i just ask one thing from you both, both of you mean so much to myself and MRc and i would hate for this to go into anything bad

Its rare i ask for anything personally but it would mean a lot to me deeply if this will end in a friendly manor, both have the right intentions

Please

bish we will be ok its just a misunderstanding i am sure we will forget all this

I care about the right rules, not who is it that I'm having discussion with. So Bish be relieved, it's opinion arguing here, not people. 

Quoting Dido, "he is a slower player than you, but on the track he has the same right. he was on his next lap - even though it was slower he was the privileged one, and you had the duty to make room.", I assume "he" means hajiels and "you" means BudZ. But then he wrote "WR gemini 95 - You are wrong". There is a conflict.

Just to clarify for Didos remark on the harassment, I didn't call him anything. Please open another thread against me if You feel the need, I would want to keep this on the matter.

And about the matter, going back again to my first post and the last note:

-no need to give away for faster cars when you are on fast lap (can be polite tho)

All this conversation centers on that sentence. Is that sentence incorrect?

Gemini95 -I have nothing to you ... I respect you

Dido

gemini 95 wrote:

I care about the right rules, not who is it that I'm having discussion with. So Bish be relieved, it's opinion arguing here, not people. 

Quoting Dido, "he is a slower player than you, but on the track he has the same right. he was on his next lap - even though it was slower he was the privileged one, and you had the duty to make room.", I assume "he" means hajiels and "you" means BudZ. But then he wrote "WR gemini 95 - You are wrong". There is a conflict.

Just to clarify for Didos remark on the harassment, I didn't call him anything. Please open another thread against me if You feel the need, I would want to keep this on the matter.

And about the matter, going back again to my first post and the last note:

-no need to give away for faster cars when you are on fast lap (can be polite tho)

All this conversation centers on that sentence. Is that sentence incorrect?

he did not mean you had insulted him gemini, it was another member

I have never been a fan of qualifying on demo servers with new drivers just doing what they want in most insurances.

In this case if they were both on a hot lap the 2nd driver should have left enough of a gap like you see in F1 where they back each other up the lap before. Although in lfs this is not as easy with drivers of all abilities having said that I personally would have moved from the racing line if a driver approached me with so much more speed.

I have not seen the replay but it looks like Budz was expecting the guy to leave space like he would have if the roles were reversed. From the picture it does look like the guy left him some space as they are alongside.

My opinion is that qualify should only he used when drivers are within a second or so with times .

As I said in first post and as Bish and Simon have said, it would be polite to give way to drivers much faster. But firstly just follow the in game flags and you won't get kicked, right?
Looking beyond this particular case, could I have a confirmation whether following is right or nonsense.

-give away when in blue flag
-no need to give away for faster cars when you are on fast lap (can be polite tho)

Race conditions obviously always give way to blueflag.

I will have to look into blue flag in quali as I dont see how it can work correctly as I think (could be wrong) it will always have the driver with the most laps in qualification not getting blue flags as the game thinks they are infront. When the case could be they are on an outlap holding up a driver on a hotlap.

In Race conditions, blue flag appears when racer is behind a lap or is about to be a lap down wich then has to give way to leaders ETC.

Rules are Rules, i get that.

BUT, in Qualifying you can hope the driver up ahead will be pollite and understand that you're in fact on a Hotlap and move out of the way. But if he/she is also on a hotlap but because he/she is slower...racer gives up his/hers run? wether person is a lap behind or + a lap has to gives way?

In my opinion, i would have waited and made sure i had a big enough gap where i can get in a clean lap with no traffic.

I mean with traffic depending where you catch them, their are the Bad and Good situations like, catching a car in the frontstretch or the back straight away and getting a nice DRAFT.

And ofc, getting a car in entry and losing nose or being blocked in obviously became a problem.

Right? My opinion.

gemini 95 wrote:

As I said in first post and as Bish and Simon have said, it would be polite to give way to drivers much faster. But firstly just follow the in game flags and you won't get kicked, right?
Looking beyond this particular case, could I have a confirmation whether following is right or nonsense.

-give away when in blue flag
-no need to give away for faster cars when you are on fast lap (can be polite tho)

i am unsure if it could be classed as blocking if they had the time to move and was not on a lap that would of gained themselves a position

I agree with simon about setting a time or all drivers being reasonably within a second or so of each others pb times, even if you set a temp pb lock with somewhere around 1.15, think it would be around 900-950 % so !lk 900 would set it (alter the % accordingly)